Never Saw an Idea I Didn’t Like……
This just in….I mean just in….the Sauk Rapids Rice Superintendent has introduced a proposal for the district to enter into the
“Sauk Rapids Rice Integration Plan”
Yes, this important socal engineering project comes complete, well not quite complete, with the $370,000 it would add to the district budget. Only one third ($120,000 or so) would need to be funded through a local property tax levy. And oh, what about that pesky inflation that would soon swallow up this new initiative. If it sounds too good to be true?
Did I miss something or did we not recently inform the district that we were not interested in increasing property taxes?
And what exactly is the purpose of this newly essential program?
It’s stated purpose is:
To address the growing academic and social-emotional needs of both majority and nonmajority learners in accordance with the Minnesota Desegregation Law (It should probably be Rule).
Seems we’re not the first to find this interesting approach to ripping off the tax payers. Apparently our district is simply trying to keep pace with the other districts already feeding at the trough like Stillwater. I’m sure that Stillwater must be strugling to educate that underprivledged minority population in their district. Is it possible that this high dollar district needs state aid to help educate minorities.
Yep you heard that right, 93% white Stillwater is ripping the state off for a cool Milion to implement it’s “desegregation plan”.
What does the EMID do?
The plan has two primary areas of focus including year-long classroom partnerships involving more that 2,000 elementary students between the two districts.
It is our understanding that the state of Minnesotat currently allows open enrollment, free of charge, for any students, and that for most districts open enrollments represent a net gain in their financial standing. What is Stillwater doing differently? We don’t know, but we were told at the board meeting that this was not “desegregation” like in the old days of bussing and all that. Must be something else! What specifically are the services that would be provided and to whom?
So how does this all work and where do we find out about it? It appears to be described within Rules 3535.01 through 3535.018 of the Minnesota Administrative Rules. We are not attorneys, so this could be incorect, but it is as close as we could come. We would have asked at the board meeting but the 15-minute public input time had already expired. (Before the topic was raised of course!) We’ll try to get that clarified at the next meeting in two weeks. The upshot is that even for a 94% white district like SRR it is possible to game the State funding formula for some extra State (err taxpayer) money from just by being close to a district with some minority students. Sound a little like a pork barrel?
So here is just one more example of how the State funding formula is obviously broken and how our district leaders seem to shamelessly try to get their share of the money. We recognize the temptation to go for this “extra” money, but in the end this is all coming out of our pockets. We feel it would be better for organizations like PS Minnesota and Schools for Equity to get to work lobbying for legislation to remove this source of budget trickery and simply start offering equal expectations and educational opportunity to all students in Minnesota regardless of ethnic background. Until we have equal funding per student, these funding games will continue.
Interesting that there is another State program that is targeted toward all Minnesota students called Q-Comp. Remember Q-comp. This program also comes with partial funding, so that is a negative for our pocket books, but it also would require that the district negotiate a performance based pay contract. Potentially a very large positive for our students.
So we find our district leadership more interested in a backdoor source of funding through good old fashioned social engineering and pork politics.
Garrison Keillor’s statement about NCLB is equally applicable to the republican backed Q-Comp.
If you missed this board meeting, and we know that most of you did, it would be timely to call your local school board representaive to discuss the wisdom of increasing the school budget in these tight times. What exactly are the State strings that will be attached? What will we do when inflation swallows up the already short State funding? Why this program over Q-COMP?
Beware if you decide you’re interested in attending a board meeting the central committe will apparently be taking names. We suggest that the board either provide a sign in sheet or refrain from this practice in the future.




March 11, 2008 at 10:31 pm
This plan would be preferable to Q-Comp, because unlike Q-Comp, the money can be used in different ways, such as to implement programs in the classroom. Q-Comp is ONLY (and I mentioned this before) ONLY to increase pay for teachers based on a performance based plan (Take a look at St Cloud’s approved Q-Comp plan before you taut this as a solution.)
I heard the Superintendent talk about this, and I don’t believe he is walking into this thinking that this is overall a good plan or that it is going to solve our budget issues, but rather as a way to get money that is available, as disgusting as that way to get the money is. Should be working to fix the formulary? Yes. Can PS Minnesota do that? Not by themselves. Can Education Minnesota? Not by themselves.
Believe it or not, teachers are not listened to at the capital when talking about education or education funding. You want to fix these issues, talk to your legislators yourself. Teachers are there, in most legislators view, to get more money for their pocket books (Even if that is not always the case)
March 11, 2008 at 11:55 pm
I think you’re right for the most part. The presentation did seem pretty half hearted. But I’d rather see us not go for something that we will surely be regretting in the near future.
The problem I have is that the proposed plan promises to provide funding for services that we are not currently, and should not be providing. In addition it is, by design, underfunded and once in place will simply drive a new cost center that will later need to be cut. I think it exacerbates the budget problems we are trying to cure.
Q-COMP may suffer from the same problems from a funding standpoint but at least it provides a program that would get dollars into the hands of our best teachers to provide the primary services our schools are intended for. It also helps to shift the balance of power between taxpayers and the unions.
The way I see it one of our biggest problems with our budgeting and State wide school funding problems is the tendency to try to provide too many “extra” social services that are outside our mandate to educate. Compound this with this type of corrupted pork program and we are only digging the hole deeper. I’d like to see our board send out press releases condemning this program and encouraging our citizens to reject this whole idea.
Additionally, I really see red when I think of all the districts that are using this provision to rip off our state taxes that we are so loyally paying. This is a big part of the reason why the metro-suburban districts are getting a bigger share of the pie. At some point we just need to say no to these ill conceived ideas.
Regarding the interplay between teachers and funding/legislative changes…..Agreed…On this blog you will find very little if anything pointed at teachers to take responsibility to change our current situation.
The solutions are in the hands of our leadership — district, Board, legislature, union and community (i.e. taxpayer involvement).
March 12, 2008 at 10:03 am
Why don’t you become the solution?
I have yet to here of you talking to any legislators or going to the capital.
Right now the way I see it you are a bigger problem than help. all this negative noise that is not always accurate and very oppinionated.
So your goal is to make a difference? Be helpful?
Or maybe you are just another power seeker with a really big ego!
Call your legislators and let us know what they say.
Tell us what is happening as far as bills about public education is concerned.
March 12, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Question…You’re making a lot of assumptions. You have no Idea what we are doing regarding legislators and issues. …..
Following is some recent correspondence with a local legislator:
Board Watcher:
“It seems that locally it is assumed that any breadth of program whether
Chevy, Cadillac or BMW should automatically be funded by the State. I
believe it is a two way street. We need a reasonable level of core
programming that can be funded with our state taxes. I am not in favor
of the bloated expansion of services at all cost promoted by PS
Minnesota. We need to be realistic in our expectations of what the
districts will deliver in services. Also I am not convinced that the
cost to educate is as “uneven” among demographic groups as our educators
would have us believe.
I really believe we should be funding equally on a per student basis and
letting districts allocate to various demographics as needed to get the
outcomes that are required. I know this is unlikely, but anything short
of equal per student funding simply invites the gerrymandering of the
system to the advantage of the politically well connected districts.
Just my opinion.”
Legislator:
“Your comments are absolutely on target! I will gladly forward your request
to legislative leaders. We need this kind of thoughtful discussion, and I
would welcome the opportunity to have that discussion here in the St. Cloud
area. Even if the Education Finance Cmmittee chooses not to hold a hearing
here, we could do something on our own initiative and invite them
(proactive).”
So…..Question…..there just may be more to all this than meets the eye…..
March 12, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Question…..We welcome the opportunity to correct any data or facts that may be incorrect. Feel free to submit your corrections.
March 12, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Let us know when you set this meeting up.
March 12, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Question…Do you advocate instituting this new program of services that will increase our budget and require 1/3rd of the funding to come from a local levy?
March 12, 2008 at 10:02 pm
boardwatcher
“So how does this all work and where do we find out about it? It appears to be described within Rules 3535.01 through 3535.018 of the Minnesota Administrative Rules. We are not attorneys, so this could be incorect,”
You talk like you are correct.
Seams you don’t know for sure.
March 12, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Question ……What we know is that the program costs and general situation were described at the board meeting including handouts associated with agenda item #12.
The superintendent has presented the board with a proposed program that would add an estimated $368,000 to the budget and would be funded at $90 per student with $60 from the State and $30 matching money from a property tax levy.
In these handouts, from the superintendent, we were informed that the statutory basis for this program is in the “Minnesota Desegregation Law”. We lookded at the statutes and found what are actually “rules ” as opposed to statutes and that is where we direct you and others to research this program. If others find additional statutes of import please contribute. As we said we are not lawyers, but it looks like the place to read about the ins and outs of this program. The rules also appear very complicated and without spending considerable time decifering the legalese it would be difficult to say what State strings might be attached.
Following is a breakout of the budget as reported in handout #12:
Proposed One Year Budget for Sauk Rapids Integration Plan
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District Office Support: $30,000
community Outreach: $40,000
Hillside Liaison (0.25 FTE) $20,000
Rice Liaison (0.25 FTE) $20,000
MHES Liaison (0.5 FTE) $40,000
Pleasantvies Liaison (0.5 FTE) $40,000
SRRMS Liaison (0.5 FTE) $40,000
SRRHS Liaison (0.5 FTE) $40,000
Lyceums/programs $20,000
Staff/development $20,000
Media/curriculum supplements $40,000
Miscellaneous expenses $18,000
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Total: $368,000
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Which of these items will be helping our class of 2010 to pass MCA II math and reading graduation requirements?
Do you have a position on the plan?
Anyone who got a different story feel free to correct us……
March 12, 2008 at 11:26 pm
question…..what do you believe you are contributing? You have not contributed to any productive discussion whatsoever. If anyone needs to watch “Indoctrinate U” (see the icon to the right of your screen for YouTube) it is definitely you. Since you have forgotten…this is America….you remember home of the free. Free to think, free to speak, free to disagree. Contribute something engaging if you can. Refrain from your ruthless attack because you believe that your view is the ONLY VIEW.
And by the way…when is the meeting that you are setting up?
March 13, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Does anyone favor adopting this program?
March 13, 2008 at 3:54 pm
OneFish TwoFish…OK you want me to contribute. Here is a state fact that seems rather of importance when we are not fixing education funding and we are also as a state in the hole.
Pawlenty proposes to increase spending on the state’s 150th birthday party and proposes a $14 million guarantee for local organizers raising cash for the Republican National Convention in September.
If our Govenor can’t see a party and a convention is not nearly as important as our public school system. Why should we expect anyone exept people with kids in the public system to care?
By the way would I be Evan, an Isralie Jew, or a Columbia Professor?
March 15, 2008 at 7:49 am
I can see now that OneFish TwoFish has the power to edit this site.
If I was able to log in as boardwatcher and OnFish TwoFish who is to say how many people log on as others.
I am going back to my home St. Cloud because at least on the St. Cloud Times no one can log on as another and they can be held to thier comments.
Have fun with this.
Glad I live where I do and you live here.
March 15, 2008 at 7:51 am
Already blocking? Doesn’t sound like free speech to me.
March 15, 2008 at 11:49 am
Question…as you know all of these blogs have a moderator who is able to sort out spam and other inappropriate language etc. This is a necessary part of providing these services.
On this site we have blocked over 2500 messages containing inappropriate language, spam, phishing scams and pornography. Without this ability, we would not be able to have a site at all. Your commment that we blocked was a sexist joke that was not related to the discussions held here. You may want to look for some alternative outlet for that type of antisocial behavior.
In general, we do not require anyone to submit their e-mail addresses or to create an account in order to comment.
As you may or may not realize by creating your account with the Times you are also subject to their editorial practices. The difference is that the Times can identify you and even call to harrass you if your comments offend them. We know this to be true as it has happened to us. This is not exactly freedom of the press now is it?
Here at the SchoolBoardWatch we have absolutely no way to identify anyone and hence all commments are completely anonymous. However, when we identify malicious behavior such as your childish and obvious attempts to impersonate others we will continue block such actifvities.
At this site everyone is on the honor system to treat others fairly and to use a consistent screen name of their own. You may also have noticed that the default screen name is Anonymous, so you can bet that many different people have used this default screen name.
By the way, why did you try to impersonate the BoardWatcher?
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Best Regards, Question
March 31, 2008 at 8:43 am
Testing Comments
May 19, 2008 at 6:33 am
I was thankful to see that the state has agreed to provide the schools with $51.00 additional funding per student. Sauk Rapids was also given permission to move a alrge amount of money from their capitol funds, back into the classroom.
My concern is that the school district wants this levy so bad, that we will hear, “This is not enough money. In fact we had budgets for an even bigger increase, so there will have to be increased cuts, and budget reductions.”
I would love to hear our district say, “With the incrased funding, we can hire back 4 elementary teacers and reduce our class sizes in al elementary class to less than 29 students.” or “We can now ask for a smaller levy fro the tax payers.”
I hope we get some postive information from the district. If we continue to get the “this is not enough” line, I too will join the growning majority that feels that until this levy is passed, the distrcit will continue to punish our children, with larger class sizes.
May 19, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Rick,
That is exactly what the Sauk Rapids-Rice superintendent and school board want…for you and everyone else to cry “UNCLE” while they personally feel no pain.
First, did you notice during the budget meetings that the superintendent and school board sacrificed nothing directly affecting them? $42,000 in administrator and school board member fees and dues, which amounts to association memberships and magazine subscriptions…it also includes some funding to lobby groups…and guess what???? Our own superintendent sits on the board of one of the lobby groups which receives funding from our district. How much does PS Minnesota receive? Not any transparency or accountability, but we do know that for a long time (until recently) PS MN web site gave only one phone number and that was SRR District Office phone number…..so, we, the taxpayers in Sauk Rapids-Rice were funding the secretarial, etc. services for lobby group, PS MN….AND…while we were compensating our superintendent nicely, cha ching…..he was conducting business for PS MN while on the clock.
This doesn’t sound like wise spending to me. Luxury items need to be cut when we need to tighten the budget belt.
Okay, second….do you know how our students in Sauk Rapids-Rice compare to St. Cloud and Sartell? Look into it…Is the superintendent and school board using funding wisely and given that the financial situation has only become bleak recently,…how do our students compare to the surrounding communities, statewide, nationally?
The $51.00 per student is only for next year. Who knows after that. However, if we really are concerned about passing a levy for items DIRECTLY affecting the classroom and student achievement….will asking the taxpayers to cover 30% of the SRR Integration Plan achieve this….Looks like most of the funding is for administration ((look at sbw previous posts))….AND after 3 years we, the parents and taxpayers, will be left having to fund the ‘established’ Integration Plan program 100%!!! That’s right, we fund 30% to get it in place, to cover the cost of additional programs, which may not improve math, science and english, and then we get to fund the entire program (administrative costs) in 3 short years.
This Integration Plan is an example of the corruption. ALL available funds in the state associated with education, should be provided equally to each student…each student…same amount, then let schools use the funds the way they need to….
enough for now
May 21, 2008 at 8:30 am
I personally do not see PS minnesota as a “luxury”. In today’s market with the legislature calling all the shots we need all the power we can get. Personally I think this is a wise investment. Yes I feel PS Minnesota, Parents United both work for the students of public schools.
As for the small money we are getting from the capital? I hope they use it for another Teacher for the younger grades and if there is left over give parents a break and lower the activitiy fees.
I see this site had nothing to say about that whole proccess. Why is that? This is an expence that is going to hit the brightest most active kids as well as the kids that will not do as well in school when they can’t afford activitiys. Why do people encurage support and involvment from parents and family but then make it cost prohibited. With the chaging at the door for activitys?
May 21, 2008 at 2:38 pm
In response to the previous poster:
The superintendent defended the $42,000 in administrator and school board fees and dues, in part, by claiming that some of these fees and dues are written into contracts. Which means that although he is able to renew his own membership in MASA (MN Association of School Administrators), he (and the school board) have been able to include this as a benefit into his contract. School budget money, intended for student education, is diverted for this type of employment benefit.
One might think that “in good faith” that some of these individuals might say that it would be a good thing to reduce the $42,000 and cover their own association membership fees for one or two years.
So, along this line of thinking…..you believe that it is okay to take school district funding…..funding intended to educate students…and give it to lobby groups. This is justified because you believe that PS Minnesota and other lobby groups bring power to the table. However, and here is the twist, I will bet that you personally have NEVER written a personal check to a single lobby group, even though you are convinced that it is not a “luxury.”
I can not prove that you haven’t made a personal monetary contribution to PS Minnesota and you can not prove that you have, but I believe this is the mentality, that it is good to donate as long as it is school district money and not your own.
As far as activity fees are concerned….currently there are scholarship funds available for students. Also, there are generous parents who would donate when there is a need.
May 21, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Scholarships have to be asked for and only can be recieved by those who show the finacial need. Have you ever had to ask for a hand out?
My point is that you as SBW loging on as Anonymous has never been in the middle of the pac. When you are and money is tight you know there are people who need the funds more than you because you can just do without a junker for your kid to drive that would make your life easier, you can just do without a cell phone for your child that would give you peace of mind. Hand outs are not wanted because they make you feel you owe someone a debt and that is not easy. Why should the average parent who has an active kid have to pay $1,000.00 for activitys which is a 50th of their income? Why if your so sure of this activity fee being fair did you not make it a sliding scale to reflect the income of the user?
And why can’t I copy paste from your comment to make it easier?
May 21, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Well, I’m very flattered that you believe that I’m sbw. You make a lot of assumptions.
I will also skip all of the personal assumptions you make about me.
You state: “Why should the average parent who has an active kid have to pay $1,000.00 for activitys which is a 50th of their income?” A $1,000 for an average parent is a 50th of their income? What?
You state: “Why if your so sure of this activity fee being fair did you not make it a sliding scale to reflect the income of the user?” Actually, I’m not on the school board, so I wasn’t in a position to make it a sliding scale or not.
“And why can’t I copy paste from your comment to make it easier?” I have no idea.
May 21, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Anonymous, How about you direct your issues toward the board and superintendent that have lead us into this position. It was their flawed approach to passing the levy that has lead to our current bind. As we said here many times, the district needed to articulate a coherent and transparent plan linking every cent they were asking for to academic achievement.
Instead they went for the hail mary pass hoping to get the maximum levy amount allowable withouty any accountability. Now they are continuing to play games by going for this desegregation money. Don’t worry,….. Wink, Wink…if we get this moey we can spend it however we want. This program is corrupt and our leaders are treating taxpayers as fools. We aren’t. Never mind that after 3 years, when state funding is discontinued, we will be left holding the bag. This is a bad idea.
Regarding activities fees: The district knew this was coming Months ago. They needed to cut this budget then and give parents time to develop a foundation to which people could donate in order to cover the costs of programs, thereby eliminating the need for activities fees altogether. By dragging their feet with this absurd activities council they have wasted months that could have been used for fundraising to cover these costs. It’s probably too late now. This was suggested at the listening sessions and on the ISD47 site, but no one was “listening”…….
May 21, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Does anyone remember the curriculum director that was supposedly laid off? Well, she is still with us and is aparently fighting to keep her position for another year. We thought the district had reported that the Curriculum director had been laid off? Seems we were right then and now it is apparently going to cost us some money in attorney’s fees to get this done…..It might be an exciting time at the next board meeting when attorneys will ply their trades in attempts to settle this matter.
This might be a good time to get in the habit of attending meetings, if nothing more than to warm up for the upcoming levy campaigning season….
Hey, Anonymous…..It’s actually us driving those junkers…….
May 22, 2008 at 10:21 pm
A1, Glad you are flattered. As for the average parent Making $50,000.00 I do believe this is fairly accurate. Remember the board did not make the decitions about how to cut the activity cost.
Boardwatcher, why can’t we copy paste? and if you drive a “junker” I have a new found respect for you.
My definition of a “junker” is rust every where and older than your sister.
May 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm
what’s up guys?
May 23, 2008 at 1:22 am
Interesting article about parents and school performance:
” In 1992, education scholar Harold Stevenson published the results of a decade’s worth of international studies comparing not only educational performance, but attitudes as well. In his studies, he looked at hundreds of classrooms and families in the U.S., China, Taiwan, and Japan. What he found was that American parents were by far the most satisfied with their local schools, while their children had the worst performance overall. Though in the first grade they were only slightly behind their Asian counterparts in mathematics, by the fifth grade the best American schools had lower scores than the worst schools from all three other nations. Unaware of this fact, the American parents reported being quite pleased with the performance of their schools and their children.”
Source:
http://www.schoolchoices.org/roo/academic.htm
May 27, 2008 at 10:55 am
A1, glad you are flattered but I think $50,000.00 is a fair statement of the median income of Sauk Rapids residents.
BW if you drive a junker I have a new found respect for you.
“junker”… car older than 1999 and lots of rust costing under $1,000.00 to purches.
May 27, 2008 at 11:04 am
BW, So why is it we can’t copy paste?
May 30, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Anonymous…How about a 97 and a 98 with a total of 350.000 miles…..would those qualify as junkers?
Regarding cut and paste, this is just the default for this blogging template…..Might be able to change it but haven’t tried very hard yet…..
June 3, 2008 at 12:04 pm
I was Anonymous but my posts are not going through.
bw if your car cost under $1,000.00 you qualify.
I know many BMW’s that are 97 with 350,000 miles that would not qualify.
June 16, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Curious (Anonymous)….I found your comment that is now posted above. It was burried among several hundred items identified as spam. Automatic spam detection is not perfect….My apologies…I can’t say what in your post triggered it to be marked as spam…
June 18, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation
Anyway … nice blog to visit.
cheers, Foregoer.