The Big Day is Almost Here

Well, the big day is almost here and the Times has once again missed the real story.  In Saturday’s story Teachers Approve Contract it was reported that the Sartell-St. Stephens teachers union had approved a settlement that would cost the district an additional 11.5% in their budget over the next two years (5.75% per year).  Everything sounds well and good until you turn to the second page of the article.

Budget Cuts Should Not be Required….We hope? 

Importantly we hear a school board member quoted as saying …..the contract should not require the district to make budget reductions to pay for it”.  This is amazing that this board member reports that he doesn’t think the union deal will require cuts to the budget and programming, but that it is apparently a possibility.  Let that sink in—The district could and may have settled a contract that could result in a need for budget reductions.  In other words a contract that, in order to support union negotiated wage and benefit increases, could require cutting teachers and or programs.   

This is exactly the problem the BoardWatcher has been talking about with regard to Sauk Rapids-Rice.   The districts bend to union demands, knowing that in the end they can beg taxpayers and the State to pick up the slack for their poor negotiations.  Apparently union negotiators care so much about our kids that they would actually negotiate increases in salaries and benefits that could jeopardize the district’s budget and programming. 

We predict the next levy request in this area will be coming up in Sartell to cover looks like an unsustainable situation.  Get ready Sartell.  You’re It.

Sauk Rapids and St. Cloud Negotiations on Hold 

And guess what?  Just as the BoardWatcher pointed out, the SRR salary negotiations are on hold until after the levy question.  The times reports:  St. Cloud and Sauk Rapids Rice have both had teacher negotiations on hold while administrators and school staff and supporters concentrate on getting voters to approve property tax referendums Tuesday.”  Or as we put it previously…….The full court press is on.

Lets review.   The BoardWatcher has repeatedly pointed out that with or without passage of the $2.8M levy the current escalating labor costs (teachers, Paraprofessionals and unlicensed staff) are unsustainable.  Costs are escalating at 5% and revenues are increasing at just 1.5%.  It is a simple mathematical fact that this is unsustainable. 

We believe that, passage of the levy without freezing the existing 5% labor-escalation rates will leave us $5.6M out of pocket, cutting teachers and deficit spending within two years.  With or without the levy the current cost escalation rates are unsustainable for even 2 years.

Now the Times has confirmed our worst fears, that union contracts will not be settled until after the levy question Tuesday.  Sartell has now given away a nearly 6% per year increase, nearly double the rate of inflation.  Is there any chance that our SRR union caretakers will put the “children” first and go for less.  If the levy is passed we can bank on our union guard dogs to go for an even bigger, yet more unsustainable, grab for the chips.  Under this scenario the levy could get out-stripped within less than two years.  Taxpayers should be asking the district how long the levy will provide a solution.  As one commenter put it “….not long”.

Two Options:

 1)  Simply vote no and send a strong message to the State, the District and the Union that we are unwilling to pick up the slack for their obligations.   Given that we will again likely be cutting teachers and programs within at most two years it would be better to simple face this reality now and start solving the real problems.  State funding and strangling union contracts.  Voting for the levy will simply reinforce the current incentives and status quo that have lead to districts allowing bloated costs and the state refusing to pay for it.  The unions and the State have drawn a line in the sand for a tug-o-war and our kids are the rope.  We need to say enough.

2)  As a compromise position we have also recommended a yes vote with the following commitment from the district.  The district would negotiate a salary freeze that would last the lesser of three years or until the State funding formula is “fixed”.   Further district programs and labor costs would need to be sustainably aligned.  Our position cannot be made sustainable, even in the short term without cost reductions other than cutting teacher.  Why do we cut teachers and provide raises to the remaining staff as if all were well.  This illustrates the true strangle hold union contracts have on our district’s ability to manage labor and costs. 

Our plan would allow the district to put more teachers in the class rooms and replenish the savings account.  If the State funding formula is reformed in less than three years the salary freeze would be lifted and the district would be in sound position.  If the State funding formula is not reformed the salary freeze would still be lifted at the end of three years and the district would have more teachers, a replenished savings account and could sustain another 2 years without cuts or deficit spending.  At the end of the day this approach would provide a sustainable position with increasing teacher numbers for thje next 5 to 6 years. 

Unfortunatly as we all know, no such idea has been put forth publicly by the district or union negotiators.  We fully expect the district to maintain the unsustainable status quo position.

See you at the polls…. 

37 Responses to “The Big Day is Almost Here”

  1. Miffed Says:

    In the statement from BW “The Unions and State have drawn a line in the sand for Tug-o-war and our kids are the rope.” one has to wonder if BW is not the one who is drawing lines and yanking on the children.

  2. Miffed Says:

    BW after the poles are closed whatever the outcome I am going to be looking for your help at the capital.

    Help me make some noise so the legislature will change the funding formula.

    This is a long process so if the levy fails I will expect to see you up there screaming at the capital so changes will be made before we loose valuable time for our youngest learners.

  3. Miffed Says:

    To your readers, when it comes to voting on Tuesday.

    Look in your heart and do what you feel to be the right and just thing for the children and people of this community.

  4. Mike Rogers Says:

    And I would like to caution others to take BW’s facts and figures with a grain of salt. I read a lot of “probably”, “could”, “apparently” and “may” in the blog above us.

    At the end of the day, whenever BW doesn’t have solid facts, he jumps to conclusions (hastily, I might add).

    Approving this levy will allow the district to continue, and also build back that which it has lost in budget cuts from last year. And, as Miffed says, in the mean time we - the parents and taxpayers of Minnesota need to get the real job done at the state level.

    I urge everyone to vote “yes” come Tuesday.

  5. Mike Rogers Says:

    … and there we go, Mr. Boardwatcher. I said you would come in near the finish line and complain that the district hadn’t done anything with your “plan”.

    Give us a quick rundown of which boardmembers you contacted to communicate your scheme? Which administrators? Did you at least leave a message with one of the secretaries?

  6. Mike Rogers Says:

    In his blog, Mr. Boardwatcher quoted a Sartell boardmember as saying…

    “the contract should not require the district to make budget reductions to pay for it”.

    Mr. BW then went on to say…
    “This is amazing that this board member reports that he doesn’t think the union deal will require cuts to the budget and programming, but that it is apparently a possibility.”

    Does everyone notice how Mr. BW takes the word “should” and begins to embelish on it, running at breakneck speed to the inevitable conclusion that “should” actually meant “in all likelyhood probably not”.

    Hmmm. What does the dictionary say on the word “should”?

    Used before a verb in the infinitive to show:
    Something that will take place or exist in the future.
    Something, such as an order, promise, requirement, or obligation.
    The will to do something or have something take place.
    Something that is inevitable.
    To be able to.
    To have to; must.

    I don’t see any synonyms in the dictionary for should that say “probably not” or “I sure hope so, but I’m not sure”.

    See what I mean about BW taking the fast track to what he WANTS to belive rather than where reality lives?

  7. Mike Rogers Says:

    Mr. Boardwatcher said…

    “The districts bend to union demands, knowing that in the end they can beg taxpayers and the State to pick up the slack for their poor negotiations.”

    So are you saying that the 90% of districts in the state of Minnesota with operating levies are manned by idiotic schoolboard members who are so incompetent that they gave away everything at the negotiations table?

    These elected morons (apparently not answerable to their own constituents come election day), then came up with the bright idea of a levy? I can hear the discussion at schoolboard meetings across the state…

    “Voters LOVE raising their own taxes.”
    “Gee whiz, they’re so darn easy they pass themselves!”
    “Cool, I want one too!”

    This is your view of schoolboards? Of voters? Are you sure you’re fully in-touch with reality?

  8. just me Says:

    Mike Rogers,
    If the levy passes and your taxes go up a couple hundred dollars a year, it will be a small price to pay to get your job back with the district. Think about how the teachers are not being treated fairly and about the waste within the district. At some point this all has to stop and the state has to realize what they are doing to the school dristricts. By voting “NO” it will be step in the right direction.

  9. boardwatcher Says:

    Miffed…..100% agreement with your posts 2 and 3.

    We will absolutely be working at the State level to get this turned around, but we also believe that everyone in thier own districts and at the State level need to be seriously looking at the cost side of this issue. We need to identify the real core necessities of our public education and fund it properly. No more no less.

    Any suggestions for the billboard?

  10. Mike Rogers Says:

    just me,

    To the contrary, voting “no” means that we use our kids to make a political point about state funding.

    Voting “no” is the easy way out. It means people at home can wash their hands clean of the problem. Let the mess blow up in the faces of the state legislators, then they’ll sort it out.

    Voting “yes” requires more work. And I don’t mean the money. We have to actually get involved in the democratic process, we have to talk with our representatives, we have to mobilize, committ time and energy to a difficult problem. We have to inform not only ourselves, but our fellow citizens about candidates in the next election cycle - and then make informed choices at the polls.

    Yep, voting “no” would be easier… for the adults.

  11. boardwatcher Says:

    Ok Mike….Lets play the dictionary game:

    According to the American Heritage Dictionary “should” is used to express probability or expectation, undertainty as opposed to certainty.

    Consider the two statements:

    A) We will not need to cut the budget to pay for the agreement.

    B) We shouldn’t need to cut the budget to pay for the agreement

    Notice the difference? The Sartell board member must not know for sure or he would have said something like will not, won’t, absolutely sill not….

    Anyway, stay tuned for their levy request. It shouldn’t be long now and then we’ll know for sure.

    From American Heritage dictionary:
    should (shŏŏd) Pronunciation Key
    aux.v. Past tense of shall

    Used to express obligation or duty: You should send her a note.
    Used to express probability or expectation: They should arrive at noon.
    Used to express conditionality or contingency: If she should fall, then so would I.
    Used to moderate the directness or bluntness of a statement: I should think he would like to go.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/should

  12. Mike Rogers Says:

    BW,

    It’s the past tense of SHALL. What is uncertain about SHALL?

  13. Mike Rogers Says:

    As in, I SHALL beat my head against a brick wall trying to reason with Mr. Boardwatcher.

    or

    I SHOULD beat my head against a brick wall, for it is much the same as trying to reason with Mr. Boardwatcher.

  14. boardwatcher Says:

    Yes or No, The State formula will only be fixed through a massive effort and noise from the tax payers.

    Voting No is the first step toward telling our legislators that we are serious and coming to St. Paul now to tell you about it.

    Voting Yes takes the pressure off the taxpayers and the lagislators. Where is the urgency to fix this problem if we continue to provide blood transfusions. Remember as long as the district was paying the bills nobody was paying much attention. Yes encourages the status quo.

  15. Mike Rogers Says:

    Mr. Boardwatcher,

    Re #11 - But then, this is exactly my point. It is silly trying to attribute so much meaning to one small word. You’re jumping off a very tall cliff with such wild assumptions over one word, which can have multiple meanings.

  16. another mom Says:

    Mike Rogers,

    You just want your job back. It is disappointing that you, as a teacher, haven’t said much about holding “the Vandal” and board responsible for the three year downward trend in student performance. You just criticize and spew the mantra…”we have to mobilize, committ time, blah, blah, blah…..What’s the real message? “Anyone with a differing opinion is wrong…blah, blah, blah”

  17. boardwatcher Says:

    Just look at the dictionary mike…..You should send her a note. They should be here by noon.

    Do you think she got the note? Ever been late?

    This is nitpicking over words. It’s pretty clear that Sartell is uncertain about the sustainability of their deal. It is clearly a concern or it wouldn’t have been brought up.

    Another example:
    The levy should pass on Tuesday.

    Is this an acceptable use of the word should given that we don’t know for sure?

  18. Mike Rogers Says:

    Re # 14 - That’s pretty cold, Mr. Boardwatcher, as “no” comes at a human cost, as well as an economic one.

    And, might I add, a very cynical view too. I have a bit more faith in the people of this community and in the state of Minnesota to fix a problem without the need to resort to such a drastic and destructive course.

  19. Mike Rogers Says:

    another mom,

    I have a job, so you are barking up the wrong (and rather too personal tree).

  20. Anonymous Says:

    Mike,
    OH, of course YOU are certainly not barking up the wrong tree and making (a rather person attack).

    Your working far too hard to impress someone.

  21. boardwatcher Says:

    OK lets get back on track….We completley appreciate that Mike is diligent in challenging our ideas.

    Cynical or pragmatic…

    We simply believe that if this levy passes, too many will view it as problem solved and slip back into complacency. Especially at the State level. Nothing would be better for the legislature than for every district to take up the slack in the form of property taxes. Funding problem solved. We’re saying no.

    Additionally, we firmly believe that we will be back in this situation within 2 years, so why delay the inevitable. There is a lot of energy right now. Pass the levy and everyone breathes a big sigh of relief and we go back to business as usual.

  22. Mike Rogers Says:

    BW,

    Sometimes its good to delay the inevitable. Sometimes solutions can be found in that stopgap time. Considering the alternative, isn’t it worth a try? Why give up on so quickly?

    Just imagine what could be achieved if you devoted this website and your billboard to changing the landscape of school funding (for the better, Mr. BW).

    It seems like the “common enemy” so to speak, lies at the state level.

  23. another mom Says:

    Mike,
    What evidence do we have that the status quo will promote the change you are looking for?

  24. Mike Rogers Says:

    Anonymous/another mom/just me,

    I think both sides are hanging their hats on hope. What evidence is there that voting “no” will get the job done either?

    It seems to me that the safer, more responsible course is to vote “yes”. I think “no” is too damn risky.

  25. Miffed Says:

    A lot happens when you sleep.

    I have to caution “just another mom” that if we do vote no the state will move not faster unless people push. If the state doesn’t move fast enough we LOOSE.
    · We loose valuable time for the 1st and 2nd graders.
    · We loose parents that use to fight for their kids (They will choose to move their kids and I won’t blame them they only have one shot at this)
    · We loose more programs at every level.
    Now you may say big deal it will only be one year but it might be the Senior year that the student really needed the class, it might be the 1st grade year when they are learning to read, it might be the 7th grade year that they could join a sport and make valuable connections……

    Voting no only wins for BW because how will we know he is fighting after the vote.

    Most of all a NO vote sends a clear message to the children of this community. (It is NOT the message I want them to hear.)

    I Voting YES will NOT get the legislature off the hook. But it will empower parents who are fighting for their children’s education to continue at the legislative level.

    Look into your hearts and if you really think a year or two or maybe three will not make a difference in the lives of the children of our district, than say no. But remember the state moves unbearably slow or Mr. BW could have changed things before any of this started. Also remember we will loose the energetic parents behind the kids that move.

    Eleanor Roosevelt once said “Do what you feel in your heart to be right, for you will be criticized anyway.”

    So criticize me I vote YES.

  26. boardwatcher Says:

    Miffed….No criticism here. We are in a very real predicament..The primary problem as we see it is that without the districts commitment to hold the line on labor costs, a yes may not help for even 2 years. Failure to hold down costs will greatly reduce any potential benefits from a yes vote.

    We really wish they would make such a commitment. It would have been much better had they closed out the negotiations before the vote. Then we would know where we stand today. These poor choices by the board and superintendent have put our kids at risk, with a yes or no vote.

    Now the best we might hope for is a promise but at this point we don’t even have that. No concrete plan and no commitment to hold down costs. We beleive the board and superintendent have put voters in a very real predicament.

    After this levy vote, we think the first step must be immediate and extreme pressure on the district to negotiate from a strong position to make sure every cent possible goes to hiring additional teachers, not to raises and increased benefits.

  27. boardwatcher Says:

    Another thought on No….As is plain to see we believe the district has made a poor choice in spending down the savings account in an unsustainable situation and then going for money without a real plan.

    A no this year would provide the community time to really shape the design of a legitimate and well planned levy question next year. It would include specific deatails and additionally we would have a settled labor contract by then so voters whould know the full picture.

    Voting now is a complete roll of the dice without knowing how the district will fare in these labor negotiations. There is nothing to preclude doing it right a year from now.

  28. boardwatcher Says:

    RE 22) Mike……Agreed, we do have a common “enemy” at the state level, but we also cannot expect taxpayers, income or property, to fund unbridled costs until the State does something different. We need to put serious pressure on the cost side of things as well. We see it as a two way street.

  29. Miffed Says:

    BW
    Why are you so sure you speak for the majority?

    I do not agree with your reasoning to vote no.

    I also really disagree with your statement about the district will out spend in 2 years. You have nothing to base this on.

    Once again I will disagree with what we should do first.

    You said after November 6th no matter what the outcome that you will be fighting the legislature. (Or are you just feeding us a line?)

    Your first step should be to turn this blog into legislature watcher.
    Your second step should be to beat it down to the capital and start your lobbying.

  30. Miffed Says:

    Of course there is this thought. Maybe you are not what you say you are.

    You have given none of the readers of this even an idea of what life experience you are coming from. I am not talking who you are just things like..

    1. How old are your children?
    2. What kind of work do you do?
    3. How much are you involved in volunteering at school?
    4. Ball Park how much do you make a year?
    5. What is your education background? You know graduate high school? College? Masters? Doctor?
    All of these go into why should YOU care about the levy and why should WE care what you think? In fact in the beginning of this blog it sure sounded like you were just putting information out for the readers so we could be more educated and involved.

    Now you are telling us how to vote. Seems like you have had this agenda all along.

  31. boardwatcher Says:

    Miffed….
    Re:29) We have no idea what the majority opinion is. This is one source of publicly available data. At the end of the day everyone must vote their heart as you have said.

    We respect your opinion to vote yes. The option is a good one.

    The assumptions we used to come up with our ROUGH estimate to the time for over spending the levy is based on continued growth in expenses of 5.5% and growth in revenue of 1.5% and reinstating 20 teachers in 2008/2009.

    We also assumed no additional spending on things like computers, books etc. No additional support staff reinstated, no paraprofessionals reinstated..no additional spending beyond the reinstated teachers.

    Under this scenario we estimate that our budget would exceed revenue by over $1M.

    Note that this is a fairly optimistic scenario in that the growth rate is held at the current 5.5%. If the district wavers in the labor negotiations this is likely to increase. Sartell settled with a 5.75% increase. We believe that small increas inescalation rate would put us in the red in 2009. This is why we are so heavily focused on the current labor negotiations.

    After tomorrow we need to make every effort to encourage the board to hold the cost escalation rate to a minimum. A reduction to 4% would make a dramatic difference in our position. This needs to be the net increase rate including steps and lanes.

    We like the legislature watch idea. We are considering it.

    Lobbying requires a variety of skills some,verbal some developing a web site. We will be involved.

  32. boardwatcher Says:

    Miffed……on 30.

    We can see that you are genuinely interested in our credibility, commitment and motivation. We do live here in SR. We do have kids in the district. We have written enough here for people to judge our credibility. Yes there is editorial, but we believe we have also raised important issues for consideration.

    This was a new approach to getting more than one opinion on the table. The district usually has a complete monopoly on the media outlets. Yes there are public meetings, but these are often to use your term “fluffy”.

    Your right about the evolution of the discussions. We started out with the very real concern that we have academic issues that need serious efforts to reverse. Unfortunately too few people pay attention other than when there is a levy question on the ballots. So this was the time to draw attention to our situation. We firmly believe that too many of our kids are missing out on opportunities that exist for motivated hard working well educated young people. This is not only a “school” problem but also one of community attitude.

    As these discussions evolved and we dug into the finances it also became clear that the financial side of things is at best troubling as well.

    At the end we are not telling people how to vote. We do have an opinion that may come across too strong, but at the end of the day we know that few will really be persuaded from their original positions. Hopefully we have brought attention to the real need to stay engaged and really go after the State funding issue and the need for careful cost controls locally.

    Regardless of the levy outcome, this problem needs to be solved in a way that funds the necessary core functions in a transparent sustainable way. It will take a great deal of debate for the people of this State to determine what those core functions will be. Currently we believe schools are trying to do way too much that should be happening at home. Surely others believe just the opposite. So the debate is to settle on how much should schools be involved in and how much we should pay for it? Sounds like a really difficult task.

    We just hope people will start by voting and continue by staying engaged.

  33. anonymous Says:

    Please do not assume that a 5.75% increase on the payscale in Sartell means that SRR will be receiving that increase. Sartell is a different school district with different needs, different negotiators and different circumstances. The basis of BW assumption of outgrowing the levy is based on Sartell’s increase. We will not know until the teachers and board settle the contract as to what the increase will be. Let’s not jump ahead of ourselves on this one. We may not know what this increase is until the January 15 deadline.

    As far as reigning spending and the yearly increase in the cost of doing business, we have to remember also that alongside teacher salaries, there are many other factors that increase what the school district must pay. One of these is energy. This increases every year, and is, for the most part, out of the hands of the school district, outside of their current energy reduction and energy saving measures. The district must also pay for food, consumables, such as paper, toner, and other costs of doing business. Teacher’s salaries are the largest part of this expenditure, but not the only expenditrue.

    Vote no or vote yes, it is your decision, but please remember that this is your chance to have a say in the way that your money is spent. If the funding issue is later solved at the State level, remember that your tax dollars will not be staying to educate your neighbor’s kids, your kids, your grandkids, etc, but put into a large pot that is redistributed to the state as a whole. You loose some of your voice with this happens. A yes vote means that your money is spent in YOUR area for YOUR kids (neighbor’s kids, etc). A no vote means that the children in this district will suffer until/if this is solved at the state level.

    Regardless of the outcome, remember also that the School Board will be meeting Thursday this week at 4pm as opposed to the regular Monday meeting (I am told it is out of respect for Veteran’s Day). Please join us there to begin solving this district’s problems, be it test scores, or how to educate the same number of students with less resources. If this levy fails, the district will need your help solving these problems more than ever.

  34. boardwatcher Says:

    Anonymous….Just one small correction, Our scenario is based on the current escalation rate in SRR which is now around 5% to 5.5%. This is the average escalation rate on the full general fund, not just labor, but labor is the largest component.

    You bring up another interesting point. Currently the State is obligated to fully fund the cost of eductation. The intent of this approach is to insure that each student in MN gets the same educational opportunitities independent of the wealth of their local district. Unfortunately, what we see is that once money is “given” to the state there is no guarantee of getting it back.

    So in the upcoming year should we be lobbying for full state funding, or should we perhaps be looking to reduce our State income taxes and cut state funding for education and fund local districts through local sales taxes or some such?

    We are not advocating this idea, but it is certainly worth discussing. Is it fallacy to hope that the State would ever maintain an equalized system?

  35. boardwatcher Says:

    “….or how to educate the same number of students with less resources.”

    State funding will increase by 1.5% so we will have more money in 2008 than in 2007, not less. The question is whether the district will use it to pay more staff or pay staff more?

  36. anonymous Says:

    We should be advocating to change the funding at the state level. The school board in SRR has indicated that if the funding is fixed at the state level, the levy would disappear (if approved). My choice? Vote for the levy, then work your tail off at the state legislature to get things fixed.

  37. Miffed Says:

    I am with you anonymous!!!!!!!!!!!!!